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One can enjoy a work with stereotypes for its other aspects, and I think it's totally okay, so long as you recognize the stereotypical aspects of a work.
HOWEVER, that does not mean that you have to accept it whenever someone makes an accusation of stereotyping and you think it's unfair. You tell me that robot maid anime is misogynistic, and I'll be arguing with you. And I won't be able to promise that it won't get heated. People care about art, whether it's the Sistine Chapel or Foamy the Squirrel. Everyone likes stories. Stories mean important things to people for a variety of reasons.
If we get mad, it is okay, so long as you AND I, both recognize that the debate is always important.
It is wrong to say that if someone is defending a work it's because they don't care about the issues involved. It is ALSO wrong to say someone's only defending a work because they're a tightwad PC freak or whatever. To be dismissive is bad. To be dismissive is worse than just getting angry about an issue, because it stifles the always-important debate. We should always think.
Still, I do think that if someone has concerns and they're closer to the subject than you are ... say, an American Indian complaining about school mascots and you're white ... you should maybe take a closer look at what they're saying. You don't have to agree carte blanche, but you SHOULD recognize that they're coming from a viewpoint where it's more likely for them to be sensitive about a subject. And telling them to "get over it" if they're obviously hurt by something makes you a douche.
(Although if you're both of the same minority group, ALL BETS ARE OFF!!!! :-P)
Keep your opinions, defend your opinions, be angry if you need to, but don't forget to think.
Um ... the end. Feel free to disagree and get mad, although I'd prefer you do it here.
HOWEVER, that does not mean that you have to accept it whenever someone makes an accusation of stereotyping and you think it's unfair. You tell me that robot maid anime is misogynistic, and I'll be arguing with you. And I won't be able to promise that it won't get heated. People care about art, whether it's the Sistine Chapel or Foamy the Squirrel. Everyone likes stories. Stories mean important things to people for a variety of reasons.
If we get mad, it is okay, so long as you AND I, both recognize that the debate is always important.
It is wrong to say that if someone is defending a work it's because they don't care about the issues involved. It is ALSO wrong to say someone's only defending a work because they're a tightwad PC freak or whatever. To be dismissive is bad. To be dismissive is worse than just getting angry about an issue, because it stifles the always-important debate. We should always think.
Still, I do think that if someone has concerns and they're closer to the subject than you are ... say, an American Indian complaining about school mascots and you're white ... you should maybe take a closer look at what they're saying. You don't have to agree carte blanche, but you SHOULD recognize that they're coming from a viewpoint where it's more likely for them to be sensitive about a subject. And telling them to "get over it" if they're obviously hurt by something makes you a douche.
(Although if you're both of the same minority group, ALL BETS ARE OFF!!!! :-P)
Keep your opinions, defend your opinions, be angry if you need to, but don't forget to think.
Um ... the end. Feel free to disagree and get mad, although I'd prefer you do it here.
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What I Know About Men
I'm not really a flirt, but I am a girl. I'm not a tramp, or a whore, but I do manipulate men when I feel like it. Girls bat their eyelashes, and act like they don't know anything in front of guys they like, or give a little bit of eye contact, but not too much, or a bit of touching. Or being coy. Sure, I do a bit of that. Men do it too, though. They have different games they play, which can be fun, but I'm not too into game-playing.
Want some more?
I'm not, like, a crazy feminist. I think women definitely need men. Like, I couldn't imagine having a girlfriend! There are things that you get from one another, as well as the physical stuff, that are essential. Guys make me feel secure and comfortable, when I'm scared or need attention. They bring stability. And affection. And fun. And drama. You learn so much from a boyfriend. It's hard to put into words I guess.
Wait, wait! It gets better!
I want to have a husband and two kids and a nice little life baking pies. I'm quite romantic. It's definitely important to have someone make you feel special.
And some of you devil's advocates who say you really care about women's choice may be thinking, "But if you're a feminist, you should ACCEPT her choice to stay at home and cook!" Well, I don't know how that fit into her singing career, but yes, she can bake pies to her heart's content if she pleases. That's not so much my problem, my problem (if you didn't get it from the "women definitely need men") is that she thinks it's inevitable ...
Women are definitely home-makers. We're obviously very different from men. But everyone's looking for love, in the end. Men aren't as strong as women. And they don't have as big an attention span. They want things immediately, from food to girls. The women I know are more successful than the men. It's hard for me to meet someone. I don't need someone who, like, has as much as me, but I don't want someone who has much less because then you never really feel taken care of. And it would always make a guy feel not like a man.
And by the way, any men out there, it's not like the girl's really a catch:
I was talking to a girlfriend the other day who hasn't had a boyfriend in a really long time, and she was like, 'Why can't I get a boyfriend? I'm going to write down a list of all the things I want in a guy, and I'm not going to waste my time with anyone who doesn't tick all the boxes.' And the list had everything from 'not leaving clothes on the floor' to his deep morals and stuff. It's kind of a good idea.
Wow! So you're stuck in fifth grade AND the 1950s, huh Hilary? FUN!
Please, please, please for the love of God never condescend to tell me that feminism isn't still needed, or that we're "post-feminist". God, I hate these freaking jokes of celebrities.
I'm not really a flirt, but I am a girl. I'm not a tramp, or a whore, but I do manipulate men when I feel like it. Girls bat their eyelashes, and act like they don't know anything in front of guys they like, or give a little bit of eye contact, but not too much, or a bit of touching. Or being coy. Sure, I do a bit of that. Men do it too, though. They have different games they play, which can be fun, but I'm not too into game-playing.
Want some more?
I'm not, like, a crazy feminist. I think women definitely need men. Like, I couldn't imagine having a girlfriend! There are things that you get from one another, as well as the physical stuff, that are essential. Guys make me feel secure and comfortable, when I'm scared or need attention. They bring stability. And affection. And fun. And drama. You learn so much from a boyfriend. It's hard to put into words I guess.
Wait, wait! It gets better!
I want to have a husband and two kids and a nice little life baking pies. I'm quite romantic. It's definitely important to have someone make you feel special.
And some of you devil's advocates who say you really care about women's choice may be thinking, "But if you're a feminist, you should ACCEPT her choice to stay at home and cook!" Well, I don't know how that fit into her singing career, but yes, she can bake pies to her heart's content if she pleases. That's not so much my problem, my problem (if you didn't get it from the "women definitely need men") is that she thinks it's inevitable ...
Women are definitely home-makers. We're obviously very different from men. But everyone's looking for love, in the end. Men aren't as strong as women. And they don't have as big an attention span. They want things immediately, from food to girls. The women I know are more successful than the men. It's hard for me to meet someone. I don't need someone who, like, has as much as me, but I don't want someone who has much less because then you never really feel taken care of. And it would always make a guy feel not like a man.
And by the way, any men out there, it's not like the girl's really a catch:
I was talking to a girlfriend the other day who hasn't had a boyfriend in a really long time, and she was like, 'Why can't I get a boyfriend? I'm going to write down a list of all the things I want in a guy, and I'm not going to waste my time with anyone who doesn't tick all the boxes.' And the list had everything from 'not leaving clothes on the floor' to his deep morals and stuff. It's kind of a good idea.
Wow! So you're stuck in fifth grade AND the 1950s, huh Hilary? FUN!
Please, please, please for the love of God never condescend to tell me that feminism isn't still needed, or that we're "post-feminist". God, I hate these freaking jokes of celebrities.
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Dear Christian America,
This is yours.
This is NOT yours.
This is ALSO not yours.
You HAVE a fantasy series. Stop mutilating everyone else's.
Love,
A Jew who has learned to deal with not everything being written to her agenda.
P.S. Phillip Pullman, you are still a fucking sell-out. You make a big deal out of being the big bad atheist and badmouthing C.S. Lewis and writing blurbs for anti-God books and then when push comes to shove you throw away your atheist principles because "Hey! This will give me publicity for my books and more money!" You suck for that, dude. You seriously suck.
Dear Christian America,
This is yours.
This is NOT yours.
This is ALSO not yours.
You HAVE a fantasy series. Stop mutilating everyone else's.
Love,
A Jew who has learned to deal with not everything being written to her agenda.
P.S. Phillip Pullman, you are still a fucking sell-out. You make a big deal out of being the big bad atheist and badmouthing C.S. Lewis and writing blurbs for anti-God books and then when push comes to shove you throw away your atheist principles because "Hey! This will give me publicity for my books and more money!" You suck for that, dude. You seriously suck.
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